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Icmoigigan, the onus is on you. You may begin procedures.

The above offense will be stated in its context and justified for each instance.

First of all our RP is set in about the year 2013 give or take a bit, that gives technolgical context. For further contect look at how different all the surrounding ciountries are.

Mechs
Typical Movement:
Bipedal locomotion is walking, running, and standing on two legs. Energy-efficient means of standing bipedally involve constant adjustment of balance, and of course these must avoid overcorrection.
Efficient walking complicates these issues, as it entails tipping slightly off-balance forward and to the side, and correcting balance with the right timing.
Running is an inherently continuous process, in contrast to walking; a bipedal creature or device, when efficiently running, is in a constant state of falling forward, that is maintained as relatively smooth motion only by repeatedly "catching oneself" with, again, the right timing, but in the case of running only delaying the nearly inevitable fall for the duration of another step.
The phenomenon of "tripping" is also informative in this regard. One popular way to think of it is as having one's leg pulled out from under them. In fact, however, merely stopping the movement of one leg of a walker, and merely slowing one leg of a runner, is sufficient to amount to tripping them. They were already falling, and preventing the tripped leg from aborting that fall is sufficient to literally "drop them like a sack of dirt".
Engineers who study bipedal walking describe it as a repeatedly interrupted fall.

Bipedal robots have been shown to be capable of walking only on flat terrain at slow paces. These robots do not suffer from firing weapons which would only serve to make balance issues even more unachievable. Terrain again magnifies the problem. Walking Bipedal walking machines are clearly not possible in the RP era. If it is not possible in the RP era it is godmodding. (Human pilots make no positive impact on such a situation since consciously such compensation can not be achieved)


Falling from the Sky:

Based on Physics being dropped from 152.4m(500 ft) would cause severe damage to an object. (For the calculation we will assume a mass of 2000 kg although it would need to be much more)

Putting those numbers through a calculator with a speed of 56m/s(Terminal velocity) We get a force of approximately 1156 Tons or over 23 times the force of a normal car crash. The legs of the Mechs would be crumpled like tin cans, to have them not crumple is again godmodding, it is not possible for them to have even vaguely useable legs after such a drop.

Running through enemies

Running through Tresian heavy defenses which would be mostly anti-tank weaponry makes no sense. In such a deployment every single mech would be destroyed. Also note that by going in the front you would suffer from a cross-fire. This is godmodding since it is clearly an act of invincibility.

I did not wish to have to lay charges but the repetition, severity and refusal to adjust of this godmodding is too much.

Refer to the procedure topic for instructions on how to proceed.

whatever....do what you want...I'm not going to defend my self over something we have been going about over 8 months now. You don't like it tough I aint changing it unless you change it if you do then whoop de doo you do. You can do what you want I'm not going to pissed off over this.

I will explain this though.

First off Do you KNOW how tough Depleted Urainium casing is? It is extrememly tough. tank shells explode on it without so much as a scratch, if you read the weapons I have equipped the prefer long range to close. Guass rifles are on all of them.

Next up. I added the Drop to be cool and because I though it would be neat. I really don't give a fuck about the year, I play for fun. So I added the drop. So sue me (oh wait it seems you are). Nothing else. Not even because I though it was practical but becuase I though it would be neat.

Third. I went and stated that my mechs have stabilizers that make it easier on tough terrian, and to answer your statement on it not being the onus on my pilots to be able to walk them more effeinctly I ask you this. If an unexperianced man runs a tank is he going to know what to do more than a regular or a vetran tank driver? NO! If anything he'll die first and that is that. That vetran will live longer simply from know his way around the tank. Same basis here. When you pilot something, anything for extended periods of time, you DO develop skills in keeping it working or in this case upright at faster speeds. Think what you will but then again I'm arguing to a wall. It really won't make a difference because in the end you will side with W I L L A M as per normal (hence this William and allies Vs Azgoroth). I'll take my pop and go to bed now thank you.

BTW: Thanks for the welcome back from Aldershot.

2.7 times stronger than steel, not enough for the charges to make sense, no by a long shot.


Wishful thinking on your part, Depleted Uranium is a very mortal substance and can be pierced by anti-tank weapons.


Your weapons range was not questioned. Overrunning other long range weaponry after being dropped in the middle of a battle was.


Intent and motive play no role here, the fact is that such a drop is defined as godmoding as defined by the code of offences "performing acts of 'invincibility'"


Such stabilizers would not be possible given the era and physics. (Boosters would simply destabilize the Mechs more)


Sticking a pilot in to a machine that can not physically balance will not improve the machines balance. Much like putting an expericed pilot in a car will not make it fly.


Technically this would be the welcome back, I hope you had fun.

Matt, please realize that this isn't the 'per-normal side with William thing you say it is. How many times have you been asked by everyine to do something about this? And the funniest thing is that no one else has posted in here but you and him.

And being a rude bigot doesn't help your case, you know. Considering that for this type of 'offense' whethere you are guilty or not is decided by a vote. And acting the way you are about this could easily open up an entire other case against you...

Due to procedural misgivings resulting from several factors we might as well go to the third party comment period. Members not directly affiliated with the trial may post their views on this matter. After this a vote will be held.

There's a point where we may becoming TOO serious in regard to the RP. Yes, he may be 'godmodding,' and, yes, it should stop, but when we have to revert to modern day measurements in a RP is just against the entire idea.

Personally myself I think that any military equipment should be like the modern technology of today, not futuristic weapons of the future. I think MECs in general are a way of godmodding, not to blame Azgoroth, but I find the whole MEC thing to be godmodding all in itself.

I say ban MECs from the RP, so as this never happens again. I say we all stick to the military equipment that exists today, not something that exists in star wars.

I find godmodding is common in the RP, and whether or not Azgoroth was foreseeing that he was godmodding or not does not matter, but I think MECs are the problem and should be banned.

Yes, but when the measurements are used to prove that something is completely illogical, it makes sense. The court only has to be serious if one lets it be that way; it could easily be a debating tool to solve disputes if people didn't take actions against them so seriously.



I don't know if limiting someone's roleplaying power to that extent is reasonable. It would be more than slightly difficult to write mechs out of the RP at this stage, especially when people have been using them for so long, including me. I must admit, though, I do have plans to remove the ground mobile suit from the RP due to technology constraints; in fact, that is easy enough to tie into the plot with Trestock.

As for the HERCs, they are far too unbalanced in a relative sense to other nations. When twelve vehicles can blast through an army, including flak guns, tanks, infantry, fortifications, and other such defenses, there are obviously balance issues at play. Think Fusion Cube. This is even worse when the vehicles in question do not even abide by the laws of physics.

i'd have to agree that the drop and charge used by matt is godmodding so next time if he wants to do something like that for fun he should state it in the post. As for the stability issues i'd like some one to please explain to me why the Mechs would be incappable of run and still staying up right. if the only reason is because as of today in "real life" we have yet to discover this technology then i'd like to point out that if matt's people have been developing Mechs for a long time then they could quite possibley have found away around this problem.

Well that's my 2 cents.

The problem is physics, take away physics the fundamental explanations of how the world works and it would be fine. I elaborated enough in an earlier post here and will not repeat myself, skimming is not adequate if you bring up redundant questions that have already been answered.

Here is some extra explication that is mostly not repeated for those people that need it.

It would take a computer many decades ahead of modern technology to provide proper compensation and that is not feasible for any country in this RP.

Starting development earlier means nothing, work on cold fusion could have started 200 years ago and it would still not work today.

Occams Razor is clearly on my side here so unless anyone can prove that it is feasible for those mechs to run I suggest you concede the point.

This has gone on long enough and has had a very messed up procedure since some people decided to blatantly disregard it. I suggest we call the vote now.

We do require more votes.

Can I vote?

So, is this court case resolved?

I suppose it is.

Azgoroth is hereby pronounced guilty.

The drop has been wiped from Internal Ripples canon, and preventative measures should be taken to stop this in future. However, as procedure was broken here, there is no clear action that must be taken except to discourage this in future.